Timeline for How to prevent students from using AI?
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| Nov 11 at 6:09 | comment | added | Steve | ...I'm not necessarily suggesting you aren't doing this, I'm just emphasising that "cheating" via AI is only possible when the personal relationship with the teacher has become weak or non-existent. | |
| Nov 11 at 6:02 | comment | added | Steve | @CommunityCollegeTeacher, I was referring to the traditional practice of teachers engaging directly with students so as to judge their competence and verify their participation, rather than inflicting endless written makework of a kind that is now vulnerable to AI automation by the learner. | |
| Nov 11 at 3:32 | comment | added | Community College Teacher | @Steve what do you mean by "buckle back down to more traditional and effective methods of teaching"? My method has been to show lots of examples, develop code live while students watch, explaining what I'm doing and why. I welcome student comments, questions, corrections, and suggestions. Then students work on programming assignments, to show what they have learned. | |
| Aug 11 at 14:22 | comment | added | Steve | @ScottRowe, I wasn't formally taught programming at all, and I don't think academia really has a grasp of what programmers actually do, or how - a philosophy of software development. | |
| Aug 11 at 12:59 | comment | added | Scott Rowe | Where I taught, sometimes a student just wasn't getting any traction. Further effort would be a waste of their time. Not everyone is suited for everything. Thus the self-selection aspect of Apprenticeship. If you really want to learn something, that is a good start. Wanting to learn it because of economic motivations is not. It bears a resemblance to arranged marriage in a way. Young people have drive but not always wisdom to choose a compatible partner. The education system doesn't help in either way. Academic Avisors often come too late to help. | |
| Aug 11 at 12:50 | comment | added | Scott Rowe | I don't know, I mostly learned programming on my own, alongside or despite schooling and college. The only learning model I am very familiar with is to work at tasks individually, with perhaps an expert to ask, although a compiler and cpu are the final 'experts' for programming. Other fields don't have that quick, built-in feedback loop. I did learn ideas in class that I could later use to solve particular kinds of problems. Hard to gain that alone. I have struggled to know what to teach and how. I had a helpful expert though. | |
| Aug 11 at 9:38 | comment | added | Steve | @ScottRowe, well there's no shortage of profits in law, medicine, and accountancy. I don't think it's so much that it's ever been unprofitable to educate people properly, but that it's more profitable in the short term to drive education into the ground. | |
| Aug 11 at 0:24 | comment | added | Scott Rowe | Right. Apprenticeship is nearly one to one, it doesn't scale to MOOC levels :-) No way to make it profitable. Maybe being human isn't inherently profitable in general? | |
| Aug 10 at 23:24 | comment | added | Steve | @ScottRowe, agreed. All traditional professions - including education and academia itself - have concurrent workplace and classroom activity to reproduce the skilled worker. Part of the reason everything has become focussed on doing paperwork in classrooms only, is because everything that can be administered with paperwork and computers makes it look like schools and universities are still doing useful teaching, without requiring the same labour and application (and capability and skill) from teachers themselves. | |
| Aug 10 at 22:58 | comment | added | Scott Rowe | The most successful learning model has been Apprenticeship: choose people with an aptitude and interest in something, start them young, and free them from worry about living expenses and the future of their career. It seems like the most 'human' approach to helping people get good at something, make a contribution and have a secure future. Many people are saying now that the promise of getting a good job after college is an empty one. If you can learn intensively in a natural way while having security, doesn't that make more sense? | |
| Aug 10 at 21:35 | history | answered | Steve | CC BY-SA 4.0 |